Congress, both parties, have been pushing us toward the cliff for decades.
The economy does best when the federal government takes 18-20% of GDP.

Democrats and Republicans both get huge contributions from large corporations.
It's like watching two fat guys in a boat blaming the other for the boat sinking.

P.S. Sorry "fat guys in a boat" is not "politically correct", I should have said "two homo sapiens exceeding the federally mandated weight limitation for a personal watercraft"

Obama won't be happy until he completely destroys the U.S. Economy. The U.S. needs a strong, knowledgeable and U.S. Citizen to run our country, not a man who cries to the American people, to do his job, when he can't.

I say let's not pay the Senate or Congress a paycheck until they all grow up and do what is BEST for the AMERICAN PEOPLE. It is time for the American People to stand up for what they want, NO MORE DEBT, NO MORE WELFARE, NO MORE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Let's see, Kathy. President Obama is the kind of person who gets delight in destroying his country's economy. And the majority of U.S. voters are so stupid as to believe that he is an American citizen simply because of a State of Hawaii birth certificate. And he cries to the American people to do his job. And you hope for no more help to people who can't afford subsistence living or medical care. Hmmmm. Well thought out and humane argument.

kathy..the reason obama is having trouble is that your tea party pals can't see anything except cut, cut, cut.. do cuts need to be made?..sure they do..but they don't need to be made on the backs of senior citizens, the aged, and the disabled..

you could damned near balance the budget with judicious military spending cuts..but that might cost the fat cat defense contractors to lose some money..

he's doing the best can, given the house idiocy he's faced with..

and get off the "birther" nonsense..that crap is so toally discredited by now that even rush limbajugh doesn't talk about it anymore..

doug

in my 50+ years living in the USA i have never seen such a divided country. it only took 10 years of war to bankrupt the economy. Obama campaigned on ending the war, well who is holding to his pledge? are you really any better off than 4 or even 8 years ago? do you accually wake up each day and feel confident about your immediate future? And people thought it was bad during the cold war. At least then you figured you'd just be dead if there was nuclear holicast. Now you must live with the reality that you will sacrifice and suffer for another 5 years if Obama is once again put into office.

MoveOn.org is kidding, right? What pushing us over the 'economic cliff' is uncontrolled, unrestrained federal spending to prop up the Welfare-Warfare State, and collectivists like MoveOn should be happy with that.
Let's be clear, our debt is over 14 TRILLION, and the Fed's are borrowing $0.40 on every dollar spent (from yesterday's U-T) AND, the bulk of 'baby boomers' like myself have not yet retired or started really taking money out of the system. Wait until that happens, our nation will collapse. We can not tax our way out of this mess without ruining our nation or our standard of living.
The 'progressives' have ruined America in my lifetime. We've gone from being the world's biggest creditor to its biggest debtor in ~50 years. We have a huge trade deficit, can't control our borders, and we send our kids all over the world to be maimed or killed as policemen or social workers in undeclared wars of seemingly infinite duration.

I am for Hunter and against Obama. Lets impeach the Obama the lying socialist

It's too bad there are so many people in this country that do not understand the facts of our current situation.

1. President Obama is a citizen this is not open to debate or opinion
2. The United States was trillions of dollars in debt way before President Obama came into office.
3. President Obama prevented a total meltdown of the economy by keeping US auto companies from going bankrupt and by keeping most of the large banks in business. In a Teaparty world letting these institutions go out of business would have been catastrophic.
4. If we are really worried about trade deficits we would have a more sane energy policy and trade polices. How ever this is not in the best interest of oil companies and multinational companies that export labor oversea were they can exploit lower cost labor and tax revenue the government needs to function.
5 Only cutting Federal spending is not even a close solution to our budget problem because bond holders would still need to be paid.
6. Anti immigrant xenophobia is unjustified. If all the people in this country that were here illegally staged a national strike it would bring our economy to a grinding halt at worse or cause a famine at best. The 9/11 hijacker entered this country using legal visas mostly from Saudi Arabia.
7. Democrats and Republicans must reach a compromise and increase the debt limit lest we face a credit down grade and much higher interest rate for the government.

kathy.. your preconceived notions will bring you to grief one day..you assume i'm a democrat.. i'm not.. you assume i protected democrats during my career..i can find you a LOT of angry democrats who didn't like what i said about them..you assume the media protects democrats, and that's not true, either..it's just that the media has, for the most part, finely tuned bulls*** detectors, and are not afraid to use them..on anyone..and where most of the bulls*** is coming from these days is from the tea party republican side of the political spectrum..

i rather suspect, in the wake of this mess over the deficit, a great many of those tea party types are gonna be what they call "one and done"..thjey will have accomplished NOTHING they tolld the voters they'd do.. and the voters will send tham back to whatever they did before their two-year vacation in washington, d.c...

doug

I hope the country defaults on its debt, because unfortunately this nation really needs a wake up call. This is also more than just one parties fault its both sides fault and they're both acting like children.

Hey Doug,
Glad to see you're hanging around making small talk with the rest of us.

Unfortunately, defense only accounts for about 5% of our GDP so even eliminating the entire process would do little to balance the budget.

Nobody's plan, so far, has offered to make the cuts on the backs of the elderly and disabled. There have been offers to reduce the amount of GROWTH in some senior programs, as in, give a 2% COLA instead of 5%. A paltry raise is better than a total freeze, or a cut, right?

Kathy's point about your odds of being a Democrat is made from experience. No HONEST main stream broadcast associate has ever denied that broadcast news, and some in cable, tilt left of center in their coverage. You are in the main stream media, therefore the odds that you are a Democrat are about 90-10. The terms you use to describe the Tea Party movement pretty much cement your belief system firmly to the left.

How about this?
10% across the board cut in this year. 2.5% for the next four years.
There's enough fraud and waste to cut at least 20%.
10 year hiring freeze. Promote from within when promotion is necessary. Consolidate offices when personnel are thinned out.
10 year pay raise freeze. Period. Except military and they get 2%/year.
10 year no new tax hikes. Period. Reduce home mortgage interest deduction by 5%/year for 5 years.

The Tea Party stands for TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTISM.

Doug, if I remember correctly you are retired. Therefore, you no longer need to lie, you can start telling the truth. The News Media has NEVER been in the middle, unless you consider them in the middle of the Democrat Party, with the exception of FOX News.

Thanks for the reply, Doug.
I don't want to be, or seem, argumentative but saying you're non-partisan doesn't necessarily indicate your non-partisanship-ness. Anyone can register non-partisan and still believe the left (or right) party line is the correct one for the country.

Let's do a quick question & answer to see where you stand:

TEA Party - Taxed Enough Already. Do you feel we need higher taxes in this country? Or is this the danger they represent in the Tea Party?

Obamacare - Do you feel taxpayers should pay more for their own health care in order to pay for health care for those that can't, or won't, pay for it themselves?

Business - Do you feel some businesses make "obscene" profits and therefore they should be extorted into paying more (in the form of taxes or penalties) for the privilege of doing business in this country?

Unemployment - Do you feel it's the governments job to create jobs using taxpayer money or should they get out of the way and let the free market create jobs?

Any of you other readers lurking out there....feel free to jump in.

Al

i'll play your game, al..
tea party?- we don't need higher taxes.. we need people who don't pay their share to pay up..

obamacare?- i think we need a national health care system so that EVERYONE can get the care they need..

bjusiness?- yes, some businesses DO make obscene profits, and the use of the word "Extorted" is a nice try to muddy the issue, but not relevant here- the rich need to pay the same proportionate taxes as the rest of us..

undemplolyment?- since the rich "job creators" are NOT creating jobs, i'd rather have the government do it than have people starve..the fre market isn't creating jobs for amerricans..china, korae and taiwan are doing quite well indeed, though..

does that make me an ultra liberal?..probably by your lights.. i see it as a sensilbe approach to the problems..and fair to all..

doug

Why do people fear and hate non documented workers? They tend to do the jobs that most Americans refuse to do. As an American would you clean offices, harvest food, pick up trash, mow lawns, clean cars, make less than minimum wage, live in fear of deportation, be held for ransom until your relatives paid or you are killed, be treated than less than human because ultra right wing people are trying to move us away from democracy toward a right wing cult of personality police state? Xenophobia against undocumented workers is not what this country was founded on. We are a nation of immigrants legal and undocumented. Be the American we should be not a nightmare of extremes and fear.

I am also a law abiding citizen that has served a short time in the military, pay taxes and served on jury duty. My opinions are given as a free citizen of the America that I believe in that extends the blessing of liberty and freedom to everyone that lives with this nation regardless of their document status. To deny freedom to anyone is to some day deny freedom to yourself.

This is a good article Jeni. Let's hope some of the protagonists here will read it with an open mind. There are always 2 sides to each issue and we need to see both of them in order to accomplish anything in this country. The Congress and Senate are more concerned about getting re-elected than they are about fixing the problems that our government has. I love this country and hope that we can someday get back to civility.

The American empire is imploding and the best indicators are the comments contained at this site. In a word we are over-extended! That's the real cause of our dilemma. We have no business attempting to straighten out the world or to infuse each nation with our 'values' (freedom) and methods (capitalism). We are hypocrites and interlopers and everybody hates both. Both parties are at fault in elevating greed to a virtue and the only predictable thing is that they'll blame each other endlessly, much like school children and with the same results. We need new blood in the game and that calls for a third party which, if nothing else, will point to how silly the two-party system has been. There's never been a good argument for our views to be represented by two parties alone; and the longer the process is allowed to continue, the more alike the two parties become with the outcome being that we'll still have our wars but they'll be called non-wars by one side or police actions by the other with exactly the same drain on our resources and lives. Nader was right, there is no difference between the two major parties. We've reached the point where we have to take a serious look at our governing mechanism and make some major changes. The solutions are out there; all that's lacking is the will and courage to employ them.

tom..all you're asking for is a major overhaul of the united states constitution..no big deal..:-)

you're right.. some things do need to change.. which doesn't mean it's going to easy to do..getting approval of 2/3 of the congress, and then 3/4 of the states to agree on anything is a task maybe beyond anyone's ability..

third parties have a very bleak history in this country.. and that isn't going to change..because third parties generally have very little access to the mother's milk of politics..money.. lots and lots and lots of money..

as for the wars..well, whose watch did these happen on?

doug

Kathy you're hatred of war protestors says a lot more about your ignorance than anything else. Our over-extended military has very little to do with our freedoms which existed well before we decided to involve ourselves in these multiple wars. This tie-in of the military with our freedoms is the biggest batch of bull---- to come down the pike in a century and is repeated endlessly by people incapable of thinking for themselves. Assuming you're in that group, let me assist you in understanding that none of the wars since WW2 have had anything to do with our freedoms except as some right wing wackos saw communism as the bugaboo of the day. I fought in Korea and Vietnam and both had zero to do with our freedoms or imperiled us in any way. We lost 58,000 of our troops supposedly "fighting communism" in Vietnam and there's yet no one, in or out of government, that can explain why. It certainly had nothing to do with our freedoms! Those troops died for exactly NOTHING! Vietnam decided to consolidate as a communist nation, hence we failed and our troops died in vain. Both should be used only in the most dire of circumstances. Even 9/11 was not occasion for going to war; it was not he work of a nation, which is the entity with which we go to war. You can't declare war against individuals anymore than you can against drugs. You are responding to propaganda which is what egged on this so-called "war on terror" which is the ultimate warmonger's dream since it is endless.

tom.. i was there, too..

and i can't begin to explain why..

welcome home, brother..

doug

Why don't we get Halliburton to pay back some of the billions of dollars that they took(was given by Dick cheney thru no bid contracts) from the Iraq war to settle some of this debt, since that was the main reason to go to war. Why won't Bush and cheney go outside the USA? possible arrest warrants?

We are already "off the cliff" - the debt amount is insane - It was reported recently that if we spent no money at all, it would take about 389 years of revenue to cover just the interest on the debt - if I remember right. We can't run our houses like this - my grandparents would turn over in their graves if they saw what our country has done economically - they had to wait to buy things, and had to live conservatively - no new cars, no flashy clothes, 1 working tv, ---

kathy..since you advocate respect fro those who have served and are serving, i'm sure i can expect your sincere apology for calling me names in a couple of your previous missives..

thank you in advance..

doug

Kathy, you're so typical of the tunneled vision breed you belong to that you immediately jump from a criticism of the military to hatred of the military. Your black and white world is what prevents you from seeing any other viewpoint other than your own. I spend no time hating the military, I spend a lot of time criticizing how it is employed and by whatever you hold dear, I have a full right to do so! I buried a few of my buddies.

Kathy, there's no call for unequivocal respect for the military anymore than there is for the Congress or the Supreme Court. Coating the military with respect, whether or not it deserves it, is to lessen the meaning of the word. The military is a large and very impersonal agency that doesn't care one whit whether you respect it or not; neither does the Congress or the Supreme court or the CIA for that matter.
There's never been a shortage of individuals who profess respect for the military just as there's no shortage of those who ignore the needs of the wounded veterans or the fallen soldier's families. Hypocrisy runs rampant and it's not confined to our politicians.
You're the one who should apologize for your abysmal ignorance concerning the military and the more so because I suspect that it's willful ignorance.

Mr Curlee is a Vietnam veteran according to his profile information. He deserves our respect and gratitude. You honor us sir. This is a democratic republic that puts the control of the military in the hands of civilians that have pledged to protect and defend the constitution. We are not a military dictatorship. President Obama proved his citizenship by undergoing an FBI background check that all presidential candidates must pass. Certain people are entitle to their opinions. However, they have no basis in fact or common practice.

More of your ignorance on display; criticism is in no way disrespectful, unless you're of the opinion that the military can make no mistakes. Our form of government is based on the right to criticize those in power and that doesn't preclude the military. It occurs to me that you're too ignorant to carry on an intelligent conversation.
As for Cowards of the first order, there's plenty in both political parties but you forgot to mention Cheney and his friend IdiotBush who, with his connections, had no fear of being sent to the front lines.

Kathy, what serves as "the pride of your country" is and always will be the least of my concerns as I have very little respect for your opinions, even when you can rightfully claim them as your own instead of the parroting of the opinions of others. And it's my country as much or more than it is yours.

Congressman Ron Paul: When a Cut is Not a Cut
http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1898:when-a-cut-is-not-a-cut&catid=62:texas-straight-talk&Itemid=69

Oh , that's a great argument Kathy, Cheney was VP and not the president ; as if that erases his five deferments. Where did you learn the art of argument anyway, in kindergarden? Bush didn't serve anyone but himself while in the Air National Guard in which he landed due entirely to the intervention of his well-connected daddy. You don't know enough about the history of your country to argue with anyone. No mention was made by me or Doug about the "worthlessness" of the military; that's entirely your construct as it is with most of you witless Republicans. You simply don't understand the meaning of the word criticize, in fact you understand very little else, which is why further conversation with you is pointless.

Story is updated with Hunter comment after he voted "no" on the debt bill.

UPDATE RESPONSE:
I couldn't agree with you more, Duncan Hunter. Duncan Hunter For President, A Real Man that stands for the American People and Our Military. A Real Man that does not succumb to peer pressure. A Real Man that does not cry to the American People when he is incapable of accomplishing promises he made. A Real Man that does not use scare tactics. A Real Man who served in our Military. Duncan Hunter is a Real Man.

My uncle was killed fighting the Korean War in 1952. Even though this happened 10 years before I was born I could see it was the worst thing that ever happened to my dad. My grandmother never got over the loss. For many years I thought my uncle's death was a complete waste and we had no business getting involved in the Korean conflict. Until I learned of the plight of the North Korean people under communist dictator Kim Jiong Il. No electricity, no transportation, NO FOOD! I know now my uncle is a hero. "Mr. Ill" and every other two-bit dictator knows the only thing standing in their way is the United States of America. And they will do anything to bring us down. DON'T BE A PART OF THEIR PLOT!

There's never been a shortage of ignorance in this nation and that's why we're so easily stampeded like mindless cattle into so many illegal and unnecessary wars. Neither Korea nor Vietnam was any of our business nor presented any danger to us at any time. Your uncle was cannon fodder just like the rest who died. Now go drink some Kool Aid.

jim.. no one will agrue with that.. up to a point..

what some of us, even us veterans, have a lot of trouble with is our ongoing destgnation as the world's policeman..and the idiotic wars we DIDN'T need to fight.. iraq being the prime example..saddam hussein deserved to go, but not necessarily at our hands..he had nothing to do with 9/11..he didn't even know what al-qaeda was uintil well into the war..

meanwhile, tghe war we SHOULD have been fighting.. the search for osama bin laxden, was allowed to languish almosty unnoticed..we're still there, propping up a corrupt, uselsess regime that wants to tell us how to fight, or not to fight..

why are we still there?..osama bin laden is fish food in the ocean.. he's dead and gone..we have no worries about the taliban..letjkarzai win or lose that one on his own..we need to get our people the hell out of afghanistan.. now..it's not our war..

doug

Nothing wrong with feeling sorry for whomever you wish, it's only when it takes the form of the government declaring war to straighten out the world that its wrong. There are oppressed people all over the world and its not our function or divine calling to cure the world's ills. We were not constituted as a nation for that purpose.
The manner in which you use the word 'communism' as if it's the world's biggest problem, indicates to me that you're just another victim of 1950's propaganda or what they then called the Red Scare. Most people drank that Kool Aid.
Communism is so damn bad that we're dealing extensively with communist China and communist Vietnam. In fact we're almost totally dependent on "communist" China! You've probably never lived under communism either so what is the basis of your fear or dislike of communism? Do you even know?

Have you ever even tried to rack up the victims of unregulated capitalism? Get real with the figures already!!!!

IH8whitepages, I don't know how much sensitivity you have a right to expect out of someone who was trained to kill; in any case sensitivity was never my long suit as I grow older I see less need for it. The fact that someone's uncle was included in the 58,000 who died needlessly, doesn't make him any less cannon fodder; that's what he was period!. if you feel badly about him in particular, take it up with those who were responsible , I was cannon fodder also, just luckier.

Craig , you're filled to overflowing with BS! Capitalism is damn sure an ideology,especially the latest version of the Ayn Rand "Hooray for me and screw the rest" variety. Communism's death toll has always been calculated by those in opposition to it, so the high figures are not surprising if remarkable. When I spoke of our death toll of 58,000 in Vietnam, I didn't mention the Vietnamese casualties which far exceed our own by a factor of ten to one, and get very little coverage by our media. The rest of the figures involving other wars are available assuming you're interested. We love to brag about those figures, it's what makes us so damn lovable in the eyes of the world. I'm not defending communism nor capitalism but anyone can successfully demonize any system; it's called propaganda and we have more than our share of it. What makes most right wing wackos appear so damn foolish is their incessant demonizing of socialism (which most can't even define) while mindlessly reaping in the rewards of it in so many ways in these United States.
You could lead them by the hand through the bank bailouts , the automobile company bailouts, the defense contractor bailouts, not to mention all the domestic social programs which have been in effect for years and they still wouldn't get it.

I did not read all the comments. Too many. I will say, as someone who was enlisted in the military for 10 years and someone currently working for the military, there is an outrageous amount of frivilous spending.

As we speak, the base is putting in tons on artificial grass and landscaping that is absolutely unnecessary and pretending that it is to adhere to anti-terrorism force protection regulations. Really? Meanwhile, service members are taking advantage of free medical care, housing allowance, leave all on the taxpayers dime.

Everyday, I shake my head at the useless spending by our military. The defense budget is a joke.

IH8whitepages, where did you get the idea I was a "lib' as you've called it? Are you so damned narrow in your vision that anyone or everyone who disagrees with you is a "lib"? How do you get to be that narrow-minded? Is there somewhere a school in "selective blindness"? No wonder your group comes across as moronic. You richly deserve the likes of Bachman and Palin. You probably revere Limpbag, Hannity and Beck too.

From this exchange I understand why we are in the situation we are in. Ronald Reagan once said "It isn't that our liberal friends don't know a lot, it's that so much of what they know just isn't so." 1960 was the year.

Reagan was a moron who read his lines well like the grade "B" actor that he was. He was a coward who, rather than serve in the military during WW2, decided that he'd rather make war movies for the government and so was automatically commissioned as a captain and the closest he got to any danger was struggling with the Santa Monica traffic. He never missed an opportunity to have himself photographed in his Army uniform so he could brag about his service. He was one of the original phonies during WW2 and we had more than enough of them. Lyndon Jonson was another phony who once arranged to "ride" in a Navy airplane into a active war zone for the express purpose of qualifying for a medal. IdiotBush was just a later incarnation of Reagan with his Air National guard "service"; he was a coward and a phony and used his daddy's connections to avoid real service. Our history is replete with prime bullshit artists like Reagan, IdiotBush, Johnson, and very little if any space is devoted to the real cannon fodder.

Selective learning produces willful ignorance in which you appear to be totally immersed. You should seek employment with "Dunkin Donuts" Hunter staff; he's also adept at spinning facts.
Bush was and is a coward as is anyone else who either shirked his duty or took privileged steps to avoid the conscription that everyone else was exposed to. Any idiot could not fly the F-102, particularly IdotBush.
You haven't learned a thing, nor it seems are you capable of learning. You do best with propaganda in which you daily bathe.

Things I have learned. Not to seek real answers from someone vocally berating others. They tend not to be solution oriented.

In a recent announcement of a plant closing, a CEO cried because he knew that he and his directors were putting his American employees out of a job. He said, that the reason the company was going offshore and employing a manufacturer outside the USofA were:

1. Material costs were cheaper than in the USA
2. Labor costs were cheaper than in the USA
3. Transportation costs were cheaper than in the USA
4. There were no unions demands than in the USA
5. Employee benefits were cheaper than in the USA
6. In order to remain competitive his products had to be cheaper than those produced and sold in the USA

It made business sense by moving his plants outside the USA.

He ended his announcement by saying this, "This has nothing to do with taxes in the USA, we will gladly continue to pay them, but taxes, or for that matter the potential for lower taxes had nothing to do with the decision.

The result is that this company did move offshore, now has more employees that it had before, is making more money than before and is paying taxes.

Question: How on earth can a businessman make the decision to move his company offshore when Republicans and Teabaggers keep yelling at the top of their lungs that "less taxes" and "less government" is the simplistic answer to improving the economy?

That CEO, his directors, his company and the reasons used to move offshore prove that these people are myopic to the idea of what makes a business operate.

I would prefer if they had no or very low taxes on Companies. Companies just pass that cost on to customers and make our products less competitive to over seas companies. If we had no or very low tax rate all types of companies would be moving back to the USA. That would lead to a job boom.

I once listened to a man speak that had lived in the old Soviet Union between the early 70's thru the 80's. His comment on communism was that "the government pretended to take care of us, while we pretended to work." I really don't look forward to a system that, by it's own construction, defeats entrepreneurialism and promotes mediocrity.

The new civil war is coming. We need to split the country between the producers ( those that work) and the losers those that can only take. Please don't give me that crap about people needing help. 10% of people need help and should be given it. The rest are losers how do explain generations of families being on welfare. Making people depended on the government is wrong for the country and bad for the people it says it wants to help.

New civil war? Give me a break. If you feel absolutely obligated to grab a gun and shoot people like a hillbilly coward, then maybe people like YOU are the problem. If you actually think that only 10% of people in this country need help, then maybe you haven't examined your surroundings clearly enough. Everyone nowadays needs help of some sort, whether it's paying the mortgage or trying to raise a family.

Thank goodness we are still a democracy, perhaps marginally, and I can't wait for Nov 2012 to really see how the totality feel. If the Republicans gain control of congress and the presidency I think a suicide watch should be put on Doug"non-partisan" Curlee and many other extreme liberals.

We are NOT a democracy and never have been! We are suppose to be a democratic Republic and we haven't been on of those either, and for a long time; what we are is a fascist empire with bases in hundreds of foreign countries where we conduct assassinations against peoples with whom we are not at war and for purposes which we cannot explain to our own people.
By the way, what the hell is an "extreme" liberal? Is he armed with a led pipe? Or with one of those beloved guns that Republicans can't seem to part with. You do not disappoint, you're as dim a bulb as the rest of the idiots in the Republican party.

Thank goodness I don't have to depend on your types for my freedom and liberty.
I have submitted your name to the suicide watch registry, but you may want to consider a society that is more fitting for you like Venezuela, Syria, N Korea or Iran or you may want to consider England that has done away with guns. Things are going very well there, don't you think?
Bon voyage

If you really think your freedom depends on what the military has been doing for the last 50 years, you're a blithering idiot and not worth further communication. Get lost.

And there you have it, folks. A country divided. It's been three generations in the works, beginning with the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, and the creation at that point of a debt based nation. We've been had by the world banks and oil companies while we argue over the placement of deck chairs on the Titanic. The problem is borrowing and spending. Until we address the problem, we are lost. Look up the Creature from Jekyl Island and study how the Federal Reserve System came to be. The Dept of Education has seen to the dumbing down of three generations. It may well be too late.

Yes Yarnall, the truth comes out in moments of unguarded insight, your base of knowledge is indeed small. And your precious Constitution has been done away with during the last administration of the IdiotBush dynasty that you hailed as Texan but was really an idiot son of the elite clan from Connecticutt. Remember "it's just a pice of paper"? Enjoy your ignorance and misery.