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Feb. 9 Council Agenda Summary: Fenced in Dog Parks

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Below is a summary of what is due to occur at this week's Council meeting. Santee Patch regularly reports on Council meetings, so check back on Wednesday night for the lowdown on the meeting.

The most interesting topic being discussed at the Feb. 9 is a revisiting of the issue in Santee:

Invocation: Pastor Phil Herrington,

• "Local radio personality 'Shotgun Tom' Kelly and Chris Carmichael from the KCBQ Monument committee will present thank you plaques to the City Council and staff in appreciation of work completed installing a nationally recognized radio monument that will be an asset to the community for years to come."

• has purchased three scoreboards and must now donate them to the City in order for them to be installed. The City Council must accept the donation. Installation costs will be $2,000 and an estimated $500 per year in maintenance costs.

Public Hearings:

• The Council is asking for public comments and suggestions to "assess and prioritize community development and ... and to solicit proposals for Community Development Block Grant."

No final decisions will be made on Wednesday, the subject will be decided following another public hearing during the Feb. 23 meeting.

City Council Items and Reports:

• Councilmember will issue a report on concerning the possibility of a public-private partnership. This is the summary in the agenda: "I have been exploring options for a partnership with a group of residents in support of enclosed dog parks at and/or . A proposal for financial participation by the City and the dog park users is included in tonight's staff report, and I suggest it for Council consideration tonight."

The staff recommendation is to use fencing that the City already has in storage to create a semi-permanent .93 acre fenced in area at Mast Park and install a fenced off leash area at Woodglen Vista Park as long as funds can be raised with the City matching 50 percent of the $6,800 to $9,800 cost of the project.

If you want to publicly comment on this topic, fill out a speaker slip at the beginning of the meeting.

For more detailed information see the full council agenda in the media box or download here.

DogBreedz February 08, 2011 at 03:42 PM
I LOVE the idea of two areas being fenced-in dog parks! In support of the comment from Kathy, this would help avoid the run-ins between playing dogs and kids/families that don't want other people's dogs intruding (how rude! we don't let our kids go over uninvited, why our dogs?). I have two fur-kids - one could be trusted without fences, but the otherone has a hunt/track drive that is so strong that no amount of recall would bring her back to me. As of now I have to pack up and head to El Cajon (yes, I know it's not that far, but I like to support local neighborhoods and local businesses). Having "off leash hours" is great on paper, but like Kathy says, it has it's drawbacks. As for the pet owners that don't pick up after their dogs, that's not only rude, but unsanitary and illegal! It will still happen in a fenced-in park, I'm afraid, but at least family picnics won't be likely to have to clean up before starting the party. I hope this happens for Santee!
Lynne Mollay February 09, 2011 at 01:40 PM
A fenced in area at Woodglen Vista Park would eliminate the problems that Kathy had there. There will always be rude people but the vast majority of users of the "unfenced" area are good citizens and pick up after their dogs and keep them from other people's picnics, etc. We just want a safe place where our dogs can socialize and get exercise. A tired dog is a very good thing as most of us experience after a dog park day. We are asking for a relatively small area of the park that is seldom used by other people for picnics or games of any kind. We try to police ourselves and can probably control the problem people more when we are gathered in a confined area. The dogs are not the problem but some owners will always be irresponsible. Please do not judge us all by the few.
JOYCE HOWARD February 09, 2011 at 02:32 PM
agree that Mast Park would be a great place for a fenced area for small dogs and a separate fenced area for larger dogs. This park has a huge area that is not used at all, except for the trails, which are great! I DISAGREE TO HAVING A FENCED AND DESIGNATED AREA FOR DOGS AT WOODGLEN VISTA PARK. THE VOLUNTEERS HAVE RUN OFF PEOPLE THAT HAVE WALKED THEIR DOGS FOR OVER 15 YEARS. THEY THREATEN, STALK AND INTIMIDATE PEOPLE OF ALL AGES. IT’S A SHAME THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE A FEW BLOCKS OF THE PARK CAN’T ENJOY AND BRING THEIR DOGS. NAME CALLING & THREATS ARE UNCALLED FOR! I HAVE SEEN ELDERLY WOMEN WALK OUT IN TEARS. SINCE THIS AREA WAS STARTED MORE AGGRESSIVE DOGS, PEOPLE OUT OF SANTEE COMING IN AND OVER RUNNING THE AREA. DURING THE SUMMER SEASON THEY OVERTAKE THE BASEBALL FIELD FROM KIDS TRYING TO PRACTICE AND PLAY GAMES DURING FAMILY EVENTS. THIS ALSO GOES FOR THE OTHER AREA. THE OWNERS THAT GO FOR A SOCIAL VISIT AND LET THEIR DOGS POOP EVERYWHERE AND DON'T PICK UP - DUE TO CHIT CHAT TIME, THEY DONT WATCH THEIR PETS. THERE ARE OWNERS THAT DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR DOGS WHEN THEIR PET TAKES ANOTHER PETS ITEMS. THE DOG POOP HAS TRIPLED. THERE ARE SOME OWNERS THAT DON'T PICK UP AFTER THEIR DOG(S). THE PARK IS FOR THE FAMILIES AND THEIR KIDS TOO!!!! (TO SMALL FOR A DESIGATATED DOG PARK). I have lived down the street from Woodglen Park for about 28 years. It's a shame that these certain people think they can rule the area!!!
Jodi February 09, 2011 at 06:23 PM
I completely agree with Lynne. I believe when in a confined area everyone is safer and happier. There is dog park etiquette and "irresponsible owners" are more apt to act responsibly, as they cannot go hide in the bushes, etc. I also have to load my dog and drive him to El Cajon. It takes more time out of your day and can sometimes make an enjoyable time between dog and owner become a chore. I find myself having to watch the clock. I have a young large dog who needs a controlled environment for "fine tuning" his behavior. The smaller area at Woodglen Vista would allow better discipline while learning to socialize with other dogs... he is also a very friendly rottweiller who has not yet learned how big and strong he is getting.. so knocking over little ones are very possible. Because of his breed, intentions are misunderstood and I am held to a higher responsibily of controlling my dog. I have always enjoyed taking my boy to this park. The one thing I have longed for is a fenced in area.
Kathy February 09, 2011 at 08:32 PM
I agree with Lynne and Jodi, I think a fenced area is definitely the answer to the problems I mentioned previously. I agree dogs need exercise and with all the new lease and muzzle laws, it is sad that a dog doesn't have a chance to run free within the city limits. The person I spoke about using the park as a daily bathroom area, was acting this way, before the park allowed designated hours for dogs to play free. As far as Joyce's complaint, by the way, please don't yell on this board, the "poop", unfortunately is not just dogs, we have a large population of coyotes in the park, so it's not all dog. As far as I know, the baseball field is not part of the area that the dogs are allowed to run free, so dog owners need to make sure their dogs stay out of this area, please. I am confused to Joyce's remark about the volunteers running off people, please explain in more detail. I feel if we ask the responsible dog owners to help monitor the irresponsible dog owners, this would solve half the problem. I would also like to see some of the "Dog Waste Stands", like there is on Cuyumaca, placed through out the park, then the irresponsible dog owners, might be a little more responsible.
Melonie February 10, 2011 at 06:15 PM
http://santee.patch.com/articles/city-council-approves-two-fenced-in-dog-parks YEA!!!! Unfortunately not everyone would comply with which area to use at different times of the year. Aug. through Dec. (soccer season) we are to use baseball field. This is so AYSO can have practices on the large green field. With the approval of a fenced in area I only wonder how this will go over with them. Also, don't we rely on El Cajon to enforce our pet laws? I believe Santee pays them an annual fee yet not sure if city of Santee gets any money collected from fine payments. If we had an active force within our city, I believe we would have less violators. I'll add this question to the other post. Maybe someone has more info on the matter.
Lynne Mollay February 10, 2011 at 06:21 PM
I believe that Joyce is one of the people that does not want her dogs to interact with any other dogs so she lets them be "off-leash" in areas that are not "legal". I am sorry that she feels she has been harassed by any of our law-abiding group. We were told by the city over a year ago that people who do not follow the rules can ruin it for all of us. Thank goodness this did not happen and the city council has just approved a large fenced in area at both Mast and Woodglen Vista Parks where we can take our dogs. The area will be large enough that people who do not want their dogs to mingle with other dogs can still have room to play and exercise in a safe area. We dog owners will continue to be good neighbors and good citizens. We really love this community and are looking forward to having a proper place for them.
Lynne Mollay February 10, 2011 at 06:26 PM
Melonie - The city has a contract with county animal control to police the rule breakers. Unfortunately, they work kind of a 9-5 schedule and are more concerned with animal cruelty, neglect and these types of problems (thank goodness). We try to police ourselves by reminding people of the rules and to pick up after their pets. Sorry we can't be there 24 hours a day but we do our best. I think a very small percentage of people cause most of the problems.
Melonie February 10, 2011 at 07:38 PM
Based on that contract with the San Diego County Department of Animal Services they are to provide services including: dog licensing, rabies vaccinations, microchip pet identification, low-cost spay and neuter referrals, pet adoptions, patrol and investigation of animal violations, lost and found services, pet ownership training, and pet care & behavioral tips. Annual contract is upwards of $175,000. With that amount being paid to Ej Cajon they should regularly patrol to ensure compliance. I appreciate your dedication as well as the other volunteers. I want our money well spent.
kevin fiske February 11, 2011 at 05:13 AM
Kathy when did this happen to your niece ? why didn't you use the park tables and do you rember what the dog look like
Kathy February 11, 2011 at 05:45 AM
It happened on 4th if July. We have always set up our own tables, canopies and BBQ in the Southwest Corner where we have beautiful trees for shade and away from other large crowds in the gazebo area. As far as I know, we are allowed to have a picnic anywhere in the park. It was a black lab, and he meant to harm to the child, he was obviously had no training, as his owner was unable to get him to retreat without having to come over, place a leash and drag the dog away. The owner at no time apologized for the child being hurt, which upset me the most. This dog also tormented other small dogs that were being walked on a leash in the park. I had to go and assist one woman who was walked 2 small dogs on their leash and the lab actually knocked the poor woman down. I love seeing dogs have their freedom to run but ONLY if they are trained properly and their owner can control them. If they are unable to control them, then keep them on a leash, it's that simple. I do believe with the new fence area for the dogs, it will solve this problem, as long as the owners keep their dogs on the leash, until they enter the fenced areas.
Melonie February 11, 2011 at 06:22 AM
Found some useful information I thought I'd share: http://www.san-diego-travels.com/san-diego-dog-parks.html Also, at Woodglen Vista there are "Dog Waste Stands", they're not always filled, but there are 2 that I know of.
Kathy February 11, 2011 at 07:09 AM
Thank you Melonie, these rules are extremely fair to ensure the safety for all. I am a devoted dog lover and my devoted lab passed away at the age of 14 years, almost 6 yrs ago. I always told people that she was my best kid, in the family. Of course, my other 3 grown children probably felt slighted, LOL. It has been almost 6 years since I lost my baby girl (Lab), and the pain of her passing, is just as fresh, as the day it happened, but my family has finally convinced me to get another lab. I am very excited about the modification for the Woodglen Vista Park for the dogs, as when I had my baby girl, there was no allowance for dogs to run free and play at the park. I look forward to sometime in the future enjoying this area with anticipated family addition.
Lynne Mollay February 11, 2011 at 03:08 PM
Kathy. Can't wait to meet you and your new dog. I have met so many nice people at the dog park. This is my first dog in about 35 years and I had no idea she would consume my life like this. One of the things we would like to do after the fence is to get a dog trainer to come (for a nominal fee) and help people who have trouble handling their dogs. Hopefully the person that you spoke of will come and learn.
Lynne Mollay February 11, 2011 at 03:13 PM
Melonie. There are actually 3 and they are not always full. We hope to make it a priority to have more and to make sure they are always full. Most of the regular users of the dog park also bring bags from home - just in case. Our new off-leash parks (Mast and WV) will be included in the next edition of petloverspublications.com which is a local dog friendly site. Check it out if you get time.
Kathy February 11, 2011 at 04:25 PM
Thank you Lynne. Actually, I am currently looking for a female, Black or Yellow Lab Puppy. I will not be ready to accept until April, as I have a trip planned in March and I want to be with the puppy daily. If you or anyone you know of that will be having a litter soon, I would really appreciate the referral. Yes, I would be very much interested in a dog training class, they are wonderful for the dog and owner. I find the owner usually needs the class more then the dog, LOL.
Lynne Mollay February 12, 2011 at 02:26 PM
I will keep my eyes and ears open. You might also want to check with some of the rescue groups. There are so many dogs that need homes. I personally got a beautiful "mutt" at San Diego Animal Rescue and she is the cutest dog in the park (LOL!) You can email me at lynnemollay@cox.net and I will keep your information private but advise you if I hear of any puppies available.

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