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June 8 Council Agenda Summary: Medical Marijuana and Chicken Coops

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Below is a summary of what is due to occur at this week's Council meeting. Santee Patch regularly reports on Council meetings, so check back on Wednesday night for the lowdown on the meeting.

The next begins Wed., June 8, 2011:

Invocation: Pastor Kay Barre,

Proclamations: A proclamation from the City of Santee by Mayor Randy Voepel was given stating that Saturday, June 4 was "" in the city of Santee, for his years of service as Monsignor at .

Presentations: will be presenting a $34,500 check to the city for sponsorship of , the and Fest.

Council Items: Mayor Randy Voepel has proposed an amendment to Santee’s zoning ordinance to allow chicken coops in more residential areas within the city.

Continued Business:

• In July of 2009, the City Council put a moratorium on dispensaries within Santee city limits in order for city staff to analyze the situation more thoroughly. A moratorium of that type may only last two years, so the issue is being brought to the council for discussion again.

The meeting agenda packet includes a report by the City Attorney that recommends the city continue on its current legal course, not creating a specific land zoning for dispensaries, generally excluding any non-specified land use and therefore not allowing their operation within the city. According to the City Attorney, there is much precedent for cities to implicitly prohibit dispensaries in this manner. See the full report attached to the agenda in the media box.

• The Council will continue their discussions on the for fiscal years 2011-2013.

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For more detailed information see the full council agenda in the media box or download here.

Melonie June 09, 2011 at 08:16 AM
Just have to say it once more... http://www.10news.com/news/28178420/detail.html Pretty funny that both the chickens and medical marijuana were on the Santee Council's agenda for today. Channel 10's headline should have read: "Santee Considers Allowing 'Herb'an Chicken Farming" Ba Dun Bump shiiii!
suzanne June 13, 2011 at 09:28 PM
read your comment melonie that was soooo funny, the pun on "Urban" to "Herb"an it was so witty had me a good laugh!!
Motivated Santee Citizen June 13, 2011 at 11:15 PM
The chickens will fertilize the marijuana. Who is this guy that is our crazy Mayor? Seriously. The guy can't make his mind up. He wants Santee to be a big city and then he wants it to be a backwoods town with chickens in residential areas and marijuana drug dealing stores. The marijuana people will take the trolley into town like the rest of the degenerates do. They will buy some marijuana and break into some cars on the way out of town. Nice, real nice! At least the 58 or as we now know it 59 homeless people in Santee will have a place to legaly buy their marijuana. What's next, the Mayor wants to give them motorhomes and let them park anywhere for any length of time in Santee so they won't be homeless?
James Jones June 13, 2011 at 11:57 PM
Regardless of what someone's moral stance is regarding marijuana use, the fact remains that the People of California have spoken through our legal system and have decided that marijuana for medical purposes is legal with the proper documentation. Why then, are all of these municipalities trying to flex their "morality police" muscle by making the permits and restrictions so difficult and expensive that it becomes a de facto ban? These should be considered like a pharmacy, no more and no less. The government works for us, not the other way around. The People have spoken. Now government, get out of the way. Or does representative democracy only apply to those with a certain moral outlook?
Doug Curlee June 14, 2011 at 04:01 AM
no, james, it doesn't.. it applies to people who want to sell pot under guise of being for health purposes. but don't want to bother with the concept of legal marijuana for medical purposes. you know.. little details like.. oh, record keeping..demanding to actually see and verify the "proper documentation".. i think cities and counties not only have the right to demand stringent controls over marijuana being sold within their borders..they have the obligatyion to enforce those controls. and let's never forget..these sales will continue only until the federal government decides it's out of hand.. and cracks down on it.. we all tend to forget that it's ILLEGAL under federal law..whoich supersedes state and local law. doug
Melonie June 14, 2011 at 06:45 AM
From what I understand, while our council has been weighing out the pros and cons since 2009, 2 home delivery dispensaries right here in Santee have been in operation and developing a nice network for themselves. Does our council side with "If you can't see it, it doesn't exist?" Is their concern more of an image issue similar to the old "adult bookstore" agenda years ago where the bottom line is a tarnished reputation and all the negativity that follows? I would bet the majority of medi-marijuana customers would prefer having their purchase delivered to their door rather than risk running into someone they knew such as their doctor, hair stylist, PTA President or perhaps a city official. Anenimity vs. Storefront shop in the strip-mall??? Hmmm.... I wonder if the mayor knows this form of dispensary exists or does he choose not to believe they do? Is it even legal? (under state law?)
James Jones June 14, 2011 at 03:47 PM
From Motivated Santee Citizen: "The marijuana people will take the trolley into town like the rest of the degenerates do. They will buy some marijuana and break into some cars on the way out of town. Nice, real nice! " From Doug Curlee: "it applies to people who want to sell pot under guise of being for health purposes. but don't want to bother with the concept of legal marijuana for medical purposes. you know.. little details like.. oh, record keeping..demanding to actually see and verify the "proper documentation".. Would you both agree that there are assumptions being made in both of these statements? Marijuana customers breaking into cars? No record keeping? This is why it seems to be difficult to actually discuss the topic. I never said that there should be NO regulations, my point is that the regulations and permitting guidelines tend to make it impossible for someone to conduct a business that is currently a legal one. Perhaps there are folks who don't like the fact that medical marijuana is available, but it is not your place to tell others how to treat their illnesses. Store front marijuana dispensaries can operate in a very low-key and professional manner, it has been done. Unfortunately there is often a knee-jerk reaction that somehow we will immediately turn into Amsterdam.
Doug Curlee June 14, 2011 at 04:52 PM
james.. i have NO problem with MEDICAL marijuana being dispensed under carefully controlled conditions..VERY carefully controlled conditions.. my point is that few of the dispensary operations even bother to check whether or not there is really a doctor's recommendation.. they're in business to sell grass, pure and simple.. ask any cop who's ever participated in a raid on one of those places.. ask them about the records.. or lack of same.. some are honest operations, no doubt.. but i think they're definitely in the minority.. and i'll predict that sometime in the near future, there's going to be a sweeping reevaluation by the u.s. justice department.. and federal laws are going to be enforced..which will bring the dispensary business to an end, anyway..no matter what state and local laws say. doug
James Jones June 14, 2011 at 05:31 PM
I don't think that medical cannabis is going away anytime soon. I believe that the low -key, professionally operated dispensaries will survive and the "party stores" with the neon pot leaf in the window, etc, like the ones on Garnet Ave will go away. Those are the dispensary owners that have drawn attention to the abuse of the law, are capitalizing on it and need to go away. I just feel that overly restrictive zoning ordinances and huge permitting fees are just used by those that oppose the use of cannabis as a way to effectively ban the businesses.
Melonie June 14, 2011 at 07:52 PM
Exactly! I think the whole system could use a re-evaluation and purge the patients that abuse. A doctor's recommendation shouldn't be as easy to obtain. Looked thru a Reader lately? Even the local "docs" are cashing in by issuing Id's w/out properly examing the patient. They're advertising it and their office has a revolving door! Not right; the prescription should come from a patients primary doctor. While that may be a bit challenging, it should be at least similar to how any other prescription is handed out. The bad shops remind me of the illegally ran pain clinics, aka pill houses, that give a bad name for the legitimate pain management offuces out there.
Jeremy June 14, 2011 at 10:24 PM
I believe the process to obtain a MM recommendation is already similar to conventional medicine. In fact, pain killers, the "Prozac" class of meds and a whole host of sleep/diet pills (all of which are abused at an alarming rate and can have far deadlier/costlier consequences than MM) can be obtained without an office visit over the phone in many cases. Many of these drugs are advertised at all hours of the day on television/radio/internet/print outlets. In fairness then, we should "purge" all abusers of any treatment method & ban conventional pharmacies?
Melonie June 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM
Purging the abusers of an unmoderated (unless u call the DEA their FDA) system that set up shop like a diet clinic.ID'Sd by patients I am only referring to the ,"oh, I have migraines" so they can get a MM Id. Proper screening where the dude behind the counter doesn't tell people what to say to get an Id. i don't see this ever happening though partly due to the amount of money to be made and lack of any designed entity to oversee the rules are being followed such as a QA.
Doug Curlee June 15, 2011 at 03:47 AM
let's be careful with our terminology, too.. it makes a difference... don't use the word "prescription"..doctors cannot PRESCRIBE marijuana..they can RECOMMEND marijuana.. but the recommendation has nothing like the status in law of a prescription.. just a point, but an important one.. doug
Jeremy June 15, 2011 at 04:08 PM
The only reason for the difference in terminology is that the Fed Govt has classified MM as having no medicinal value (a claim that even Nixon's Presidential Commission refutes) and could mean prison time for a doctor to "Prescribe" it. If your doctor recommended that you eat right, stop smoking etc., wouldn't you listen to him/her? The FACT of the matter is that MM can/does help many people treat a variety of ailments from life saving measures (appetite stimulant/anti-nausea effects for cancer & aids patients) to palliative treatments for pain as well as less toxic alternatives to anxiety and depression therapies among many others. I agree that there are abusers of this imperfect system, but cannot bring myself to condemn legitimate usage. It seems unfair to do so, especially with the ever present prescription drug abuse issue(s) that have much more severe consequences (and often times marginal efficacy by comparison).
Doug Curlee June 15, 2011 at 05:23 PM
jeremy.. maybe you should stop trying to mix apples and polish sausages.. we're not talking about prescription drug abuse..those are issues, but they're separate issues from what we're dealing with here.. what we're dealing with here is marijuana..and the legitimate needs of those with severe medical problems, as opposed to those who'll sell it under guise of pain relief when it's really simply a quasi-legal way to sell grass for profit.. lots of profit.. medical marijuana needs to be tightly controlled..much more so than it is now.. it does NOT need to be a system whereby anyone gets a spurious "recommendation" from a doctor he or she may have never seen..or doesn't even bother with the "recommendation".. VERY tightly controlled availability may end up being the only way that process might survive the inevitable federal crackdown that's coming..sooner or later..
Jeremy June 16, 2011 at 05:47 PM
Doug - I was addressing Melonie's criticism by comparing MM procedures with the ease of "conventional" Rx acquisition and the resulting abuse of that system (and it's more severe costs and consequences). I think it is a fair comparison. As for the rest of your opinion; I agree about how the Prop 215 movement has invited big/corrupt and illegal elements into the equation. It is similar to the manner in which conventional drug companies have increased sales exponentially by providing doctors with personal perks, massive advertising budgets and in many cases direct commissions for prescriptions. Where there is money to be made, unscrupulous people will always look to push the envelope of legality. My support for MM is based upon a blend of supporting State's Rights, compassion for those it can help and financial pragmatism.

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