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Backers, Critics of Smoking in Parks Seem Agreeable to Separation Option

Lines of communication open wider at West Hills High School forum that attracted 30 people.

Santee residents on both sides of the smoking-in-parks issue appeared to agree Wednesday night on the idea of a smoking area of the park—away from kids and others.

The group seemed to agree that it’s not much different from the recent of the park to keep animals away from people who don’t like them off leash.

“It’s better to be inclusive instead of so divisive,” said one of about 30 attendees at a West Hills High School forum.

The curious and concerned—including parents, kids, athletes and local leaders— to discuss the health, freedom, environmental and other issues surrounding cigarette smoking, specifically considering a .

The was held at and featured guest speakers Dr. Philip Szold of La Mesa Pediatrics, Alan Smith, an epidemiologist from the County of San Diego, and Michael Sawdy of the SDSU School of Public Health.

The forum focused on Santee’s status as that allows cigarette smoking in city parks.

The issue has raised debate about two issues— vs. the outdoors, and the forum gave an opportunity for those two sides to talk face-to-face.

The speakers talked about everything from the toxicity of cigarette butts to the health hazards posed by outdoor secondhand smoke, and the audience was given a chance to ask questions and discuss the issues.

Councilmen and attended the meeting and the final half-hour consisted of an open dialogue about the politics of the issue and what the general attitude of Santee city government might be (it has been cold until now).

Both said they had learned something new at the forum.

McNelis said his parents were serious chain smokers, so he’s no fan of smoking, but he currently falls on the side of those who don’t think another law is required.

“I’m all about promoting people to live a healthier lifestyle, but not dictating,” said McNelis.

“I don’t think it’s government’s job to tell you what you can and can’t do,” he said, echoing the general sentiment of the .

Dale, who said he enjoys a cigar every-now-and-then, was of the opinion that this is an issue with many merits, but has the potential to get out of hand.

“We’re not going to have cops in the park, but like dog park, users will enforce it,” said Dale.

But he worried that the debate could be a slippery slope that would stray into much more difficult issues to decide, like the right to smoke in your own backyard if it bothers a neighbor.

In the end, Dale said he wasn’t rushing the issue, but that the public might expect health issues, including smoking, to be brought up at City Council in the next couple years, especially in conjunction with a push for healthy living that is being developed by San Diego County.

“I hope to bring this issue forward and have that conversation,” said Dale.

One speaker displayed statistics gathered by the County of San Diego Health and Human Services Agency that show that Santee had a significantly higher rate of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) hospitalization and deaths and lung cancer deaths in 2009.

Dale said he wonders how the relatively new has changed the lung disease statistics in Santee, and finished the night off saying “the power plant causes me grand concern,” referring to the proposed gas-powered plant to be built near .

One of the biggest contingents supporting a ban are parents who do not want their children exposed to the .

It was brought to the attention of the group that smoking has been banned within 25 feet of outdoor playgrounds and sand boxes since 2003. The only Santee park to display any signage indicating this law is , but the councilmembers in attendance said City Hall is currently working on putting up signs next to city playgrounds.

One of the most moving comments was made by a local teen runner that has asthma.

“I can smell smoke from about a block away, and it hurts,” he said. “I don’t think people realize what they are doing to those around them.”

Dr. Szold, the pediatrician, said there is no doubt that secondhand smoke will worsen matters for someone with asthma.

Szold said the U.S. smoking rate is 26 percent and California is at 11.9 percent. He said the reason it’s dropped is because of “nickeling and dimming,” a lot of little laws like park smoking bans.

arranged the event, and has been spearheading public interest in a smoking ban at Santee parks since in an annual report released by the American Lung Association in January.

“I was disappointed with the turnout considering all the people who said they supported the cause,” Spencer said. “But at the end of the day I think it was positive that we had several good speakers and the two Councilmembers were able to take a lot in.”

Other organizations in attendance included the American Lung Association, American Heart Association, American Cancer Society and the .

Joe Spencer April 20, 2012 at 01:07 AM
Unfortunately the majority of the "30" people were either a part of the event or speakers or their guests. I would have been happy if we had 30 people from the community show up. By my count there were only 8 people from the community that came out. A few times the issue of a seperate space was mentioned but never really went far. One mother and her teenage son who has asthma spoke against the idea of the seperate area as opposed to a complete ban. One person asked Vice Mayor McNelis who had previously voiced his opposition to a ban if he would consider a smoking section to which he replied that he would be open to listening.
Art April 20, 2012 at 01:25 AM
Joe, I'd would've been there, and would've have enjoyed "discussing". Had some other stuff to take care of, maybe next time!!!
Joe Spencer April 20, 2012 at 01:58 AM
Here is the article about the meeting from the Union Tribune: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/18/smoke-free-santee-parks-meeting-draws-sparse-crowd/
Kathy April 20, 2012 at 02:08 AM
As it was suggested to you many times Joe, have a smoking section in the Parks. You could of saved a lot of people's time if you would of just been more cooperative. However, we both know there will be plenty of violators. with no enforcement but hopefully most will abide As far as what Dr. Szold says, that is really funny but I won't get into that right now. Tell me who the moron was that made the statement "show that Santee had a significantly higher rate of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) hospitalization and deaths and lung cancer deaths in 2009", exactly where is the proof that it is a fact and that it absolutely, positively came from Smoking or Second Hand Smoke, there is none. This is why the Smokers and Non-Smokers dislike and do not respect the Smoke Haters, they make up their own statistics with absolutely no proof, hoping to fool everyone. The Smoke Haters just need to be honest and they will get a lot further. I am hoping now, Joe, that you will turn your focus on the Power Plant Ban. I do respect your effort and would love to see you put as much energy into fighting the Power Plant, we could use you.
joan sullivan April 20, 2012 at 04:10 AM
Interesting graphs. You can do anything with statistics if you cherry pick. Where was the "Lung Cancer Death" graph for totally, totally smoke-free El Cajon, where it is against the law to even smoke in your car while driving down an El Cajon street?
joan sullivan April 20, 2012 at 04:22 AM
Does Santee really have a higher lung cancer death rate because it allows smoking in the Santee parks? Oh Boy! We've found the cure for cancer.
Jason smith April 20, 2012 at 04:47 AM
Maybee the reason people didn't show up was because we really don't care about this issue. Or maybee people can see through the rubbish that is being forced upon us. I would venture to say that vehicle emissions produce more toxins than the few smokers frequenting our parks. Leave our rights alone. Too many have already been taken away. Let's take America back people.
Joe Spencer April 20, 2012 at 05:31 AM
Interesting site that keeps tab on many of the smoking ban stories across California. This shows just how widespread the smoking ban issue is across the state. The Santee Patch article on Monday about the Smoke Free Community Forum is on the list of articles. http://no-smoke.org/goingsmokefree.php?id=127
Joe Spencer April 20, 2012 at 06:10 AM
San Diego County Fair is headed towards becoming smoke free by 2014..... http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/11/del-mar-fair-board-consider-fewer-smoking-sections/
joan sullivan April 20, 2012 at 03:46 PM
"We gotta do it 'cos everybody's doing it." That's why we hung witches in Massachusetts (except the one we crushed under a door loaded with stones); why we burned heretics in Spain and Christians in Rome; why we lynched uppity Negroes in Mississippi; turned in the neighbor in Nazi-occupied Europe who harbored refugee Jews in his basement; sterilized epileptics, autistic children, and silly little teen-aged girls who got pregnant out of wedlock during the eugenics craze in California (in Germany we euthanized them). "We gotta do it 'cos everybody's doing it" and "This minority endangers us with its differences" have been the rallying cry of hate-mongers through the ages. Is this what California is all about? It is becoming so. Is this what Santee is all about? Not yet.
Diana Deckert April 20, 2012 at 07:10 PM
@ Jason Smith: maybe not enough notice or publicity for this mtg. This issue is very impt to me - I support a ban in parks. Didn't know about mtg til 2 days b4; couldn't change my plans. I'm prob not alone. Keep up the good fight Mr. Spencer. The hi morbidity/mortality rates in Santee are disturbing. Probably not because we're all going to the parks and sucking down 2nd hand smoke. Hi rate of smoking? Sitting around idling cars on Mission Gorge pre-52? Living downwind filthy smokestack of Pinnacle Peaks?? Bottom line is I don't want to be around any smoke- won't stay at the parks when it's there. Definitely don't want my 4 y.o. breathing it, or forming impressions about this idiotic habit. Her grandma died when my daughter was 6 wks old from lung cancer. if there is a separate area for smoking (I'm not a fan. I agree w/ the asthmatic teen - you can smell smoke from 1/2 a mile) - PLEASE take into acct prevailing winds, and maybe some natural filters like trees.
vicky April 20, 2012 at 07:16 PM
Why don't you get on Del Mar fair's smokefree commitee and leave Santee alone. You might have a better chance at that. Just saying.

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