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VIDEO: City Council Formally Opposes Quail Brush Power Plant- March 28

Live streaming video of the Santee City Council meeting and a recording for future reference.

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The Santee City Council voted unanimously to formally oppose "the siting of the Quail Brush Power Plant in a visually prominent location proximate to Santee's western gateway," in their March 28 meeting.

Recordings from this meeting can be accessed at this page or at the Santee Patch Ustream page, where an arhive of Santee City Council meeting videos are stored.

A rundown on the meeting will be published tommorrow, and you can find a .

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Earlene April 01, 2012 at 03:36 PM
Kathy, I've been a resident of Santee almost 40 years and applaud you for your sound opinion and stance. Having worked for city government in the Mayor's office , I can tell you that public opinion DOES matter, so do emails, letters, attending city council meetings, endorsing citizen-signed petitions, as well as public protests all contribute, as the media is always willing to cover such events, televise them and report on them. I've seen many gov't. leaders swayed by such efforts. For others who claim the crowd on Mission Gorge was not substantial enough to matter, they are naive as not everyone whose concerned about this power plant being built is able to show up on the street corner, donate their time by making and holding a sign or show their opposition by their very presence. Personally, I believe this power plant is ill-planned, and definitely in the wrong place, as the high school is right across the street. (I understood all the property the north side of Mast Blvd. in that area was San Diego County and does not belong to the City?...perhaps I was misinformed.) However, contrary to the opinion of a couple of people on this forum, (one who thinks his opinion is superior to all others, as he believes he's always right) its beyond asinine to believe having a power plant in one's neighborhood does not devalue their property, because it does. I believe everyone should stand up for the things in which they believe, even if it means standing alone.
Doug Curlee April 01, 2012 at 07:26 PM
kathy..i see you and earlene are at it again.. assigning beliefs to people that those people do not hold.. i never once said i was in favor of the power plant..i said i understood the need for it..what i also said, and i'll say again, is that i don't want santee city tax revenues spent in a fruitless fight against it.. the plant would NOT be in santee, thereby lessening the possible influence santee might have over the decisions.. by the way, earlene..you were misinformed..the land in question actually belongs to the CITY of san diego..not the county..the dividing line between santee and san diego city is the centerline of mast boulevard through the west hills area.. good luck with your fight against the plant.. i'll continue to cover it and write about it.. i just think you're probably gonna get steamrollered on this one, just like you did with the las colinas jail fight.. doug
Earlene April 01, 2012 at 07:58 PM
Doug, why don't you try one day being civil to others who do not share your opinions? You're so darn condescending. In the first place, your name in my shared opinon was not mentioned, but thank you for that tidbit of geologic info as to the owner of this land on the north side of Mast. Blvd. I said I could be wrong regarding who the said property belonged to and you were right. I guess you wore out the words, "mass hysteria," and are now using "getting steamrollered." .....(sigh)....no one is doing such a thing but merely expressing an opinion here so there's no need to crack the verbal horse whip across anyone's butt as you do on every poster whose opinions and beliefs you do not share. Ah, yes, another day in beautiful Santee....glad to be an American living in the finest country in the world where we are free to say and write what we please. I wish you and all posters a very Happy Palm Sunday.
Doug Curlee April 01, 2012 at 08:54 PM
easrlene.. did you even understand the use of the word "steamrollered"?.. i meant that's probably what's going to happen to the people who oppose the plant, in that you'll in all likelihood lose the fight.. if you find that somehow comdescending..oh, well.. doug
Earlene April 01, 2012 at 10:39 PM
Yes, I know the meaning of the word, so there's no need to interpret for me, I'm a mature adult. For your info, I'm not fighting in this fight & never claimed I was; however, I do have my opinions. Since you stated so casually if I find you conscending, "oh well," So while we're on that subject, Doug, it is my opinion & wholly mine, your attitude & how you treat others falls in the category of rudeness, much like that of my once grumpy uncle. Once upon a time I had a grumpy ol' uncle who would disagree with everyone on any subject we discussed & if we said something was blue, he would immediately argue it wasn't blue but purple. No one wanted to be around him due to his attitude as he felt he was the only one who knew anything about the color he saw or any other subject & we were all wrong according to him. You always feel a need to have the last word on every subject, much like a king who issues the final edict I had to laugh as I once saw a pic of you at your previous employer where someone snapped a pic of you & there was actualy a smile on your face! I believe the pic had a label as such. I can't speak for others on this blog, as you have wrongly accused me of assigning beliefs to people which they do not hold, a statement totally false and without merit. but, unfortunately, this is the opinion you've given others about yourself...oh well. Have a great evening, Doug, & don't forget to smile as you go through life--not everything we encounter in life is deadly serious.
Doug Curlee April 01, 2012 at 11:46 PM
sorry, earlene.. for some reason, you seem to bring out the worst in me.. doug
Earlene April 02, 2012 at 12:39 AM
..........me and everyone else!
Kathy April 02, 2012 at 03:21 AM
LOL, I couldn't agree with you more Earlene. I think Doug is just a lonely old man that is bored with life and wishes he was still in the spot light. I have never cared for people in the Media, especially T,V., as they rarely tell the truth. The tell the story in the way that will get them the most attention. Anyways, back to the Topic, Doug has never been one to go after what he believes or supports, it's just too much work for him. Doug, also gives me the impression that he can't deal with failure. Doug, thanks for your offer of writing about our fight with the City of San Diego but NO thanks. I would be concerned that you would write like a Media person and not speak of truth or a positive aspect. Earlene, I have made a few contacts that are willing to assist those of us that DO NOT want the Power Plant. They gave me some great advise on what the next steps should be and with the City of Santee designating funds for this fight, I feel very hopeful.
Sleepless in Santee April 02, 2012 at 02:21 PM
I have faith in the City Council to best decide how our tax payers money is both spent and protected.
Doug Curlee April 02, 2012 at 04:18 PM
if you two really believe that, then you don't know me at all..you don't have any idea what i believe in or support.. and it's painfully obvious you know nothing at all about how television news works..or why we do what we do.. sorry if what i might believe in or support doesn't comport with your ideas of what should be..but this is a case where that hoary old chestnut comes into play.. "..you're entitled to your own opinion.. you're NOT entitled to your own set of facts.." doug
Earlene April 02, 2012 at 05:18 PM
To whom are you addressing the above post, Doug? Step down from the pulpit and take a deep breath. My opinion of the news media is entirely different, and I've yet to express it. Yes, I do know about the news as I have someone in my family who was considred one of the best journalists ever. What I said about your profession was a humorous joke about the pic of you smiling. By the same token, you know n o t h i n g about me or my former career. Perhaps you should check out my profile? Not braging, as it is what it is, all history now because I am enjoying my retirement, at last. Geesch....it's a beautiful day outside, enjoy it as we live in one of America's finest cities and God is good!
Doug Curlee April 02, 2012 at 05:47 PM
primarily to kathy..but really to whoever the shoe fits.. doug
Will April 06, 2012 at 05:42 AM
Surely the closer you live to the source of power, the more reliable the power you receive.
Will April 06, 2012 at 05:44 AM
Please explain how property values will decrease and what ill effect you fear mongers think may befall this plants neighbors.
Will April 06, 2012 at 05:45 AM
I couldnt have said it better Doug. I am glad to see there are a few of us who support this project.
Will April 06, 2012 at 05:47 AM
What does it matter where the money comes from? Are they supposed to build for free and distribute it to us for free? Electricity is a product just like anything else we buy...
Will April 06, 2012 at 05:50 AM
Kathy. I work in a small cogeneration plant up in Mira Mesa. We take reading on our turbine exhaust regularly. Just for kicks, we measured the air entering the turbine, and low and behold, it was dirtier than the exhaust. Chew on that for a second...
Will April 06, 2012 at 05:52 AM
The protests are a result of mass hysteria...PERIOD!
Will April 06, 2012 at 05:56 AM
I think you could learn a thing or two about being civil Earlene. Read what you wrote as if Doug posted that about you. You don't like it too much do you?
Kathy April 06, 2012 at 06:23 AM
Will, do you think before you speak or type? Try it, you might sound a little more intelligent. Perhaps you were bored and decided to jump on this Topic to slam everybody but your buddy, Doug. Now, go brush your teeth and go to bed, you need more sleep to fight that grumpiness. Good Night
Will April 06, 2012 at 06:31 AM
I don't understand why you think I am grumpy. I fully support building this power plant in the City of San Diego. I don't know Doug, and I have never heard of him before tonight. Doug has stated that he has never said he wants it, but that he understands it. I want it, I understand it. I have been on this topic for a little while now, but on another article. My intent is not slam anyone, but support the plant and maybe help the non-supporters change their minds. Power Plants is what I do. I operate and maintain to keep the lights on. No lights, customers are not happy. If San Onofre doesnt come back online by next summer, and this plant isnt build, expect rolling blackouts...
Kathy April 06, 2012 at 07:18 AM
I'm not in favor of the Power Plant, as many residents feel the same way, why is that? Would you want to buy a home right next to a noisy, smoking, hazardous Power Plant with BIG Smoke Stacks? If you say yes, then you need to have your head examined. I can now see why you are in favor as it gives you more job security, sorry, not my concern considering the Negative impact this Power Plant would have to Santee Residence. Frankly, I don't care if we have rolling BLACK OUTS, maybe it would teach people to cut back on the amount of electricity they use or if they can afford it, install Solar Panels. Sempra is just a Legal Thief, charging us ridiculous amounts of money, so they can give the CEO and Officers HUGE Bonuses at the end of the year. I have a friend who's husband works for SDG&E, he is a line man and makes $38/hr but also has about 20 hrs of overtime pay every wk. Do we want to be held Hostage by the Utility Companies forever? No, so the only message they will understand is if everyone cuts back to minimum use. I laugh at remember how we could watch T.V. with simple Bunny Ears, free of charge. Now, it cost an average of $70 a month to watch T.V. Why is that? The Cable Companies made sure that they could block any type of reception we use to get with Bunny Ears. I know there are far more channels but the point is, you have no choice, pay their prices or don't watch T.V. My point is, that only Sempra will benefit, financially, from this Power Plant.
Will April 07, 2012 at 10:05 PM
You wont hear it. You wont see smoke, though you might see condensation rising from the stacks much like your car on a cold morning. The stacks aren't for "smoke", but for exhaust which isn't even visible. It wont be hazardous. If you know of a way it can be hazardous just by existing, please let me know. Electricity consumption is only going to increase over time. I would like to believe that people wouldn't waste something they are paying for. SDG&E isn't the developer, owner, or operator of the plant. The plant will respond to generation requests from SDG&E during peak load times. SDG&E is only going to buy power from Quail Brush, not operate the plant. I don't know about you, but I get a lot of free channels over cable without having Cox hooked up. Something like 13 or 14 HD channels without paying a dime. Cable companies aren't blocking any signals. They got rid of analog cable because it was old and outdated. Back on track... Sempra will not benefit financially from this plant. Quail Brush or Cogentrix will be producing and selling the power to SDG&E, who in turn sells it to it's customers. Job security is the least of my concern. I don't even intend on applying for a position there. I have a good job that is about to get a whole lot better.
Patty Kay Mooney May 12, 2012 at 12:19 AM
Interesting conversation but no one has mentioned that a power plant on top of a regional park is the stupidest idea ever. Tourism is what brings $$$ to San Diego and nobody is going to want to visit a park with a power plant chugging away on it. (Sorry, I don't believe for a minute it's going to be QUIET.) Do you know how many people climb Cowles Mountain every day? Who's going to want to spend 45 minutes climbing that peak and look out to the west to see a huge flaming bag of dog poop left at our door by some North Carolina carpetbaggers? Will, everything you have said in support of this plant is cancelled out by the fact that you are employed by a power plant. This is San Diego, where there is nothing but sun, wind and ocean tides. (But how would anyone make any money of that kind of free energy, right?) And Doug, you say that you wouldn't mind a power plant in your back yard? You don't care about your health? Or the health of your family? Weird (and really, simply unbelievable. Maybe you should ask yourself why.) This power plant is a David versus Goliath story. And we all know what became of Goliath, don't we? A well-placed rock off a home-made sling was all it took to bring that monster down.
Doug Curlee May 12, 2012 at 01:54 AM
patty.. some of us are willing to listen to both sides of the story before making judgments about what the plant will or will not do.. you don't seem to be among that number, so i guess replying to you is a wasted effort, but i'll try.. you apparerntly have no idea how this plant is going to operate..when it's going to operate, and why it's going to operate.. i care about my health, and i care about my family's health..and none of us.. who HAVE read and studied the potential effects of the plant on us, would be at all distressed if we lived on that side of town.. you have your beliefs, and they're apparently unshakable..you're welcome to them.. just as i am welcome to mine.. doug
Will May 12, 2012 at 04:55 PM
There is no such thing as free. The only reason wind turbine farms are still operating is because the government subsidizes them. If you want to go green and have cheap reliable electricity, go nuclear. It lasts the longest, generates the cleanest, and has the best safety standards. I spend 40+ hours a week in a power plant for the last 5 years. The 6 years prior to that, I lived and worked onboard Navy ships operating their power plants (and defending your right to say my opinion doesn’t count). I show no ill effects, nor expect to in the future, from working in and around power plants. All I have to say about David v Goliath is wow, just wow.
Will May 12, 2012 at 04:56 PM
Your comment doesn’t deserve a response, but here it goes anyway: The plant won’t be on top of the park, look closer at the plan for the location. Chugging away? Really? When is the last time you saw a power plant chugging? It isn’t a steam train engine. Gas turbines and even diesel generators don’t produce chugging noises. They will also be sound insulated via their enclosure. There are 6 office buildings on the campus I support and most of the thousands of employees who work in them don’t even know we exist. So, believe me, it will be quiet. Flaming bag of dog poop? I don’t even know what you mean by that. I suppose your ignorance leads you to believe that there will be flames shooting from the “smoke” stacks? Lady, there won’t even be smoke coming from the smoke stacks. Let me get this straight, my EDUCATED and EXPERIENCED opinion is voided because I know what I am talking about? What arrogance you have to make such a claim? What do you do for a living? Do comments you make about your profession or area of expertise become void because your opinion is EDUCATED and EXPERIENCED? Probably not.
Patty Kay Mooney May 14, 2012 at 05:15 PM
Will, stand down, you are coming off like Daniel Day Lewis in "There Will Be Blood." Your employment at a power plant simply shows that you are biased towards having them. But isn't your power plant in an industrial zone? This proposed location is right near where people live, work and play, including children. If this was such a great idea, why did they try to sneak it through? How does Sempra even have the authority to assign contracts and alter the community landscape without community consensus? Cogentrix decided on this location because it suits their project, but the idea of painting it green shows how little they know about San Diego. That it sits in a wildfire corridor doesn't seem to matter to them, either. They should find another location in an industrial zone or far from people, even if it costs them a few more dollars. Since they have been sprinkling thousands of dollars on Mission Trails Regional Park, and other organizations, we know they have money. Will and Doug, you may not like how we who are opposed to this project feel about it, but that is how we feel, and you cannot argue with how people feel. So (Will) don't be calling people "ignorant" just because their views do not align with yours. (And don't even get started on nuclear - Haven't you heard about Fukushima?)
Earlene May 16, 2012 at 09:05 PM
Companies like SDG&E, Edison and PG&E operate on a different standard than most......it's all about "THE BOTTOM LINE," to heck with the customer, and will stop at nothing to achieve revenue for their parent company, Sempra Energy. I dislike the way they operate, how they lie to customers, absolve themselves of any blame or damage they cause and then manipulate the CPUC. I don't think the CPUC has ever refused a rate increase from them, ever, but then they're all in the same bed together. Their latest dirty trick, wherein hundreds of homeowners lost their homes and everything they owned when consumed by the massive fire when SDG&E's power lines caused it, was to ask these same homeowners to pay for the damage and loss caused to their own homes because SDG&E carried an inefficient amount of insurance to cover such loss! What!!!!!! The cost of this damage should be charged to their stockholders, not the customer, as their customers are totally innocent......unbelievable! Even a five-year old child can plainly see this is not right and terribly unfair.
Earlene May 16, 2012 at 09:16 PM
I agree this proposed power plant most likely will do a good job once constructed; HOWEVER, its in the wrong place and I would be willing to guess the reason they planned to build it there is the bottom line.....money! It most likely is one of those "cost-saving" projects, for if they built it farther down the road where it could still link up with existing gas and electricity, it would simply cost thousands and thousands of dollars more. Poor planning, even though cost-effective = unhappy residents who've invested thousands of dollars in their homes and property, not to mention the health of everyone in the neighborhood, including children, who might be harmed by breathng the air this plant will emit, etc. How many times have we heard corporations who want their own way tell us "everything is within guidelines," "everything is safe," "no harm will be done to humans or plant life," "no need to worry," blah, blah, blah. I've lived too long to trust every word that comes from the human mouth. I trust NO ONE!

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