Walmart Super-Store Back From the Dead

The Walmart Super-Store is back in action with plans on the drawing board to expand, but neighbors aren't happy with current noise, which will only get worse.

Read the latest thoughts on the Walmart expansion by Mayor Randy Voepel:

Well, it’s official- the proposed has and is now on its way back to health- which is good news to many, and terrible news to many others.

The city’s Development Department held what’s called a “scoping” meeting at Wednesday night, to show people the drawings and preliminary plans for what the expanded store will look like.

A number of people showed up to take a look, and there was some surprise at what they saw.

The actual footprint of the store building itself wouldn’t change that much- where it will be seen most easily is in the relocation of the garden store to the other side of the building, and the demise of the the tire and lube department altogether.

What will change, if this goes through as proposed, is that vacant lot to the south of the garden shop and the tire and lube center (see photo).

That will become a new, 945-space parking lot to service the expected increase in customers when opens its full service grocery department.

That parking lot is among the many things Bruce and Carol Stacy vow to stop, no matter what it takes.

“It’s not just the noise from the trucks, although that’s bad enough- that parking lot will be operating 24 hours a day, just like the trucks will be. The .” Bruce says.

He would know.

He and Carol live just over the wall from the current loading dock area in the back of the store, at the corner of Willow Grove Avenue and Willow Grove Place.

They, and a good-sized number of their neighbors have been putting up with the noise since the store opened.

I’ve been over in that neighborhood a couple of times, listening- and the racket is nearly unbearable.

It’s going to get worse if the expansion happens, because there will be more trucks coming in to unload all the items needed to operate a full-on grocery store- a store that will be open 24/7.

The loading docks are set to be moved to another location along the west, or back, side of the store, which will make the noise even worse for the people along Willow Grove Place.

For truck access to the loading docks, the roadway from Mission Gorge Road that runs along the east side of will .

and of the came to the scoping meeting to take a look at the plans, and both pronounced themselves happy with the concept.

I asked Savage about possible opposition to the plans, but Savage wasn’t worried.

“It will happen... I wouldn’t worry too much," he said.

That may or may not be the case.

I know has often expressed frustration at the process, and the possibility of the expansion- he told me that again just last Monday.

“We should never have built that store where we did,” Dale said.

That’s true- a lot of trouble would have been saved if the back of the store, and the noisy loading docks, had been built along the line of the San Diego River, but hindsight is always 20-20, isn’t it?

Associate City Planner Angela Reeder is the person in charge of the process now begun.

“We’ll probably draft environmental impact report ready after the first of the year," she said. "It’ll then go through the public review process for 45 days, as the law calls for. After that, we’ll have to see what happens.”

Yes, we will- and right now, no one is predicting what will happen.

Bill Fischer November 13, 2011 at 04:54 AM
"They, and a good-sized number of their neighbors have been putting up with the noise since the store opened." I've lived in my home at Country View Condominiums -- a block or two away -- since 1986. I really can't say that I've noted any increase in noise due to the Walmart.
Ellen McGuire November 13, 2011 at 08:40 AM
Although I welcome a WalMart Supercenter...if the footprint of the store is not VASTLY increased it just won't work! This is already a store that does not carry a full line of merchendise,ever since the expanded food department. If the remainder of the food department is added to an already too small space,I can't see it being a store I want to shop at! I have experience with this type of WalMart Supercenter.While living in the Phoenix,AZ area, the WM at I10 & Elliot Rd was this type of conversion. It was considered a "Supercenter" but if you shopped at any of the other Supercenters that were built in the area you knew it was not a full Supercenter. It did not carry a full line of merchendise. An example...only 2 brands of toilet paper...WM brand & Charmin! Same with paper towels,ect.Why can't they just build a new store,so it is the correct size? I have to be honest,while living in AZ, I shopped at both WalMart Supercenters & Super Targets & frankly I liked the merchendise selection at Super Target better! The prices were better,too! I would rather see one of those...if our Target would use their vacant garden center they would probably have the room for the bakery,full produce & meat depts.
Kathy November 13, 2011 at 06:49 PM
I don't live in that neighborhood but I will sympathize with the neighbors that are bothered by the noise. The City had no business allowing Walmart to build such a large, 24 hr Box Store next to homes. I personally do NOT want Walmart to increase in size. I have not went to Walmart for years, why, they have the worst customer service of any store I have shopped at. There is very FEW registers open and I will not wait 30 mins to check out. there is no organization in that store and most of the departments are a mess. I found it most annoying to have to shop around too many pallets and whatever you do, don't ask the employees to move it, so you can reach the section of store you need. The cashiers act like they are forced to work there and most of them complain. actually, the only friendly people in Walmart are the Senior Greeters. Walmart closed their Fabric and Craft Department, for what? So they could increase the size of Electronics? Most Santee Residents go to Target, Best Buy or Costco for electronics, unless you want to buy a no-name brand. I certainly don't want the increase traffic either, it seems that Santee has become a Large Shopping Mall. The homeless population have Homeless Conventions there every evening, so be on your guard if you shop in the evening. The joke of the Security Guard running around in his little car, that just a waste of money. He never leaves his vehicle.
just my opinion November 13, 2011 at 08:10 PM
It is sickening to hear someone complain about not having a variety of products to pick from. Just be glad there is anything at all. Be glad you live in the USA and not a third world country where they are lucky just to be able to have food and probably no toilet paper at all so quit complaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Doug Curlee November 13, 2011 at 10:00 PM
well, kathy.. for someone who "have not went to walmart for years".. you seem to know an awful lot about their operation these days.. if you haven't been there in years, how did you know they closed the fabric and craft department?..how do you know how the checkers feel, or what they talk about? how do you know the homeless "conventions there every evening".." how do you know the security guard never gets outof his truck?.. just asking, you understand.. doug
Kathy November 13, 2011 at 11:10 PM
Doug, please only respond if you have something to add not to just harass me. This may surprise you Doug, I have friends and neighbors that complain to me about Walmart about problems that have not changed since I last shopped there. As far as knowing about the Homeless Convention, I drive several of my disabled friends that are not able to drive but are able to shop alone, to Walmart. Sometimes it is in the evening to work with my schedule.m Is that O.K. with you Doug, sorry doing something good, bothers you. Geez Doug!!!!!!!
Doug Curlee November 13, 2011 at 11:12 PM
wasn't harrassing you at all.. you seemed to be taking two different positions here.. i was just wondering which one was accurate.. doug
Kathy November 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM
I'm sorry Doug, what part confuses you, the part where I don't want Walmart to expand, or the part, where I don't want Walmart to expand?
Doug Curlee November 14, 2011 at 12:17 AM
primarily, i guess, the part where you don't want a store you never go to, and don't live anywhere near , by your own admission, to expand.. why should you care? doug
Kathy November 14, 2011 at 02:27 AM
Well Doug, Let me put it this way, I live in Santee but my home is not right next door to Walmart. I actually live only a few blocks from you. If you would of read my first posting, I stated that though I did not live right next door to Walmart, I sympathized with the residents who do complain about the trucks delivering through the night. I drive around in Santee, therefore I do not want an increase in traffic. A larger Walmart will mean more traffic in that area. I am personally tired of seeing the Big Box Stores putting Mom & Pop businesses out of business. Why should I care? Well, Doug, unlike you, I care about all of Santee and the residents. If I see an unpleasant problem for residents and I can possibly help them, why not? Doug, why not care about your fellow residents? Why would you want to see Walmart expand? How will this benefit you, Doug? Is it that you just look for topic to debate with me, no matter what your feelings are about the Topic. Sorry Doug, your boring me and as always, it is a waste of my time, you will only see it your way or the opposite of what I think or feel. Please choose someone else, I'm done with this Topic and you.
Doug Curlee November 14, 2011 at 02:44 AM
would that it were so..but you're not.. how will it benefit me?..through lower prices on things i need than are available at the mom-and-pop stores.. the same benefit it brings to anyone who uses it.. i care about santee residents, too.. and i understand that people need lower prices, especially in this economy.. and i'm for anything and anyone who will bring them those lower prices..the big box stores, like them or not, do that for people.. i'd think you would be, too...but maybe i'm wrong there.. doug
Christal Ferris November 14, 2011 at 03:13 AM
On another note, I hope that it will create some much needed jobs for those who need them. The whole mom and pop argument just doesn't work any longer. The prices at smaller stores tend to be more expensive. Unfortunately for us middle to poor class, we cannot afford it. Wal Mart is more affordable. I don't like going to Wal Mart, but sometimes I've gotta bite the bullet and shop there to save a few bucks.
Jean November 14, 2011 at 01:36 PM
I wish the Wal Mart would have more registers open. Or at least put in some self service lanes. I have actually put down stuff I was going to buy and left because the lines were backed up, full baskets ahead of me, and nothing moving. It would be more efficient if the checkers would not carry on meaningless conversations while they are trying to scan and bag. God bless them but most are simply not capable of multi-tasking.
thedefchef November 14, 2011 at 07:03 PM
100% Support Super Wal-Mart. Your dollar goes farther. That is good for everyone!
Alyssa Burley November 22, 2011 at 08:04 PM
As of this September, the United States' trade deficit with China was -$217,379.6 million for 2011 (U.S. Census, 2011). What does that mean? It means we've bought $291,878.5 million dollars worth of goods from China and China only bought $74,498.9 million from the United States between January and September 2011. Why is this happening? Americans prefer to buy inexpensive goods from China instead of slightly more expensive goods manufactured in the United States. It's a short-term view to think that shopping at a WalMart store is better for one's family because of the few pennies saved on an inferior product made in a foreign country. It's even worst to think that a Super store will bring "good" jobs to the community. If the public wants to create jobs in this community, buy from stores that give back through well paying jobs.
Alyssa Burley November 22, 2011 at 08:06 PM
I rarely shop at WalMart. There are many superficial reasons why I don't like its stores - but more importantly, I don't agree with the company's practices, the way they treat their employees, and the contracts they make with suppliers. So, I will continue to spend my money at companies that I can stand behind. Case in point, Costco Wholesale Group. In a 2004 article by Christine Frey notes "some analysts have raised concerns about [Costco’s] ability to post larger profits, complaining that Costco treats its employees and cardholders better than it does investors. Costco makes about 1.7 cents for every dollar in sales. Rival Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the operator of warehouse chain Sam's Club, makes about 3.3 cents for every dollar in sales. Costco's stock is trading at about 21 times analysts' earnings per share estimates for its current fiscal year; Wal-Mart's stock is trading about 25 times analysts' estimates." It's something to think about. Costco can still be highly profitable and have a social conscious. Why can't WalMart?
Alyssa Burley November 22, 2011 at 08:35 PM
Below are two documentaries about the WalMart corporation. I recommend watching the videos and doing your own research before forming an opinion on a Santee WalMart Superstore. Research how WalMart Superstores have affected other communities. Do you want the same for Santee? I don't. "The New Age of Walmart" by CNBC http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=1302753654 "Wal Mart: The High Cost of Low Price" by Producer/Director Robert Greenwald and Brave New Films http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hftb_DVuelo
Doug Curlee November 22, 2011 at 08:44 PM
yes, do that.. but be sure you counterbalance two VERY biased and slanted "documentaries" with verifiable facts from the other side of the question..like how much money people can save by shopping at walmart as opposed to smaller, neighborhood stores.. i'm not necessarily on either side of the question..just advocating a balanced information feed for people to make their decisions with.. doug
Ellen McGuire November 22, 2011 at 08:53 PM
A good point about buying American made goods! That is the problem in our country...people only care about cheap! I remember when we first shopped at WalMart,after they moved AZ first & then Santee,ect they carried a lot of American made goods,but both corporate & consumer greed prompted them to start selling more & more foreign (particularly China) made goods. I have recently noticed a few more items in WalMart that again say made in America! As much as I love Costco,& trust me I spend a lot of money there...at least 4 x what I spend at WalMart,they are guilty of not sourcing as many American made goods as they could! If you ask people why they don't buy American made goods,they usually say "I couldn't find it". A good series to check out is the Made in America segments on World News w/ Diane Sawyer (ch10 @6:30 Mon-Fri). There is also a lot of material on their web site. The ONLY item that they have not been unable to find Made in America was a TV...if I can get most things Made in America,I can live with that,for the time being! My point is,if you are at Costco,WalMart,Target or even a small merchant,ask for Made in America,the more we ask...the more they will carry! Also,as World News has been doing this ongoing series,they have found that most items cost the same or less when made here, than foreign made goods!
Ellen McGuire November 22, 2011 at 09:04 PM
@ just my opinion...the point is...I live in AMERICA...not a third world country! So,I have the RIGHT to expect a major international retailer to carry a variety of goods,not just what they got the best "deal" from the manufacturer! You do know, that your comment was TOTALLY irrelivent to the topic? Did you just feel the need to see your "name" in print?
Alyssa Burley November 22, 2011 at 09:16 PM
Hi Doug, I'm glad you pointed that out - I was affraid no one was doing their homework anymore. I know both of these documentaries are biased and slanted to show the negative side of WalMart. Sometimes, I don't think people think further into the future than next week or how their actions can impact a community. So I wanted to give them an idea of the bigger picture through the documentaries. Also, I couldn't find any documentaries that showed the benefits/positives of WalMart (I am more than willing to review one if someone has a link). Thanks for opening the conversation, Doug!
Doug Curlee November 22, 2011 at 09:31 PM
ellen.. not sure who or what your broadside was aimed at..but if you don't think EVERY merchant on the face of the earth DOESN'T stock what he got the best deal on from the manufacturer, then i'd suggest a couple of business courses at SDSU.. buy low, sell high.. that's commerce in a nutshell.. doug
Tom Yarnall November 30, 2011 at 05:59 AM
deja vu all over again. I don't know how I ended up on this thread, but as I was reading the comments I said " I've read that somewhere before" and then remembered the Wal-Mart expansion for the Poway store. It was thoroughly debated in the Poway Patch. With over 100 posts about every argument was presented, You Santee folks could probably speed up your process by reviewing these comments and when you see something you like just copy and paste it into your Patch. There are, also plenty of disparaging remarks to choose from. Go to Poway Patch and search for Wal-Mart expansion. The expansion was approved after a two year environmental impact study.
Kathy November 30, 2011 at 06:23 AM
Thanks Tom, I hope we are successful at stopping this huge mistake in Santee.
Alyssa Burley November 30, 2011 at 04:58 PM
Last year I wrote a paper on Walmart in India. Here is an excerpt that applies to U.S. Superstores: At an average of 185,000 square feet, the Walmart Supercenter is 77,000 square feet larger than Walmart Discount Stores (Walmart, n.d. c). The additional square footage includes a full grocery department with bakery goods, meats, dairy, deli counter, frozen and packaged foods. This may sound like a really great way to shop. The Supercenter creates a one-stop-shopping experience for the consumer. However, in an article written by Georgeanne M. Artz and Kenneth E. Stone (2006) they address the negative economic effects associated with Walmart Supercenters on local grocery stores in both rural and metropolitan counties in Mississippi: "We find that Wal-Mart’s entry into nonmetropolitan markets reduces growth of grocery store sales by nearly 17 percentage points within two years of entry. In metropolitan counties, the proportionate reduction in sales growth is much smaller, 4 percentage points within one year of Supercenter entry, but the associated dollar amount of sales captured by the Supercenter is nearly twice as large. Some of the decline may be attributable to lower prices induced by Wal-Mart competition, but the magnitude of the effects suggests that, particularly in more rural areas, the new store captures a significant amount of business from existing grocery retailers in the host county" (2006). http://nuglobalstudies.wordpress.com/global-studies/gls_499/
Ellen McGuire November 30, 2011 at 10:16 PM
Doug...I don't know why you felt the need to attack me! If you actually read the comment thread you would have seen the comment by someone who signed in as "just my opinion" made a remark about my comment that a NEW Supercenter would be a good thing,but a half baked job like the expansion proposed was not! I know what I am talking about,too! I shopped in a similar store in Tempe,AZ ,when we lived there! When I stated that due to lack of space,these type of conversions DO NOT carry a full line of merchandise that a regular WalMart (supercenter or not) carries,I was told I should be grateful to be able to buy toilet paper at all,because people in third world countries didn't have any! Not exactly relevent to the story or my comment! It had NOTHING to do with stores getting the best deal . The ONLY thing it had to do with economics was supply & demand! If the store doesn't carry what customers demand...they will go elsewhere! Perhaps you should take your own advice about those business classes,and while you are there,see if you can get a class that will teach you how to follow a comment thread!
Robert C. Woodard February 18, 2014 at 05:33 PM
If you bought a house behind a business, you should have know there would be noise. Plan better the next time you purchase a house. Those houses were cheaper for a reason. I am pushing for this store expansion and will try and do all I can to help push it through.


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